Nottingham derby explained

Nottingham derby
Other Names:Trentside derby
City Or Region: Nottingham
Stadiums:City Ground
Meadow Lane
First Contested:Notts County 1–3 Nottingham Forest
1878–79 FA Cup
(16 November 1878)
Teams Involved:Nottingham Forest, Notts County
Most Wins:Nottingham Forest (40)
Mostrecent:Notts County 0-1 Nottingham Forest (Pre-Season Friendly)
Total:96
Series:Nottingham Forest: 40
Draw: 27
Notts County: 30
Largestvictory:Nottingham Forest 5-0 Notts County
1900–01 First Division
(24 November 1900)
Nottingham Forest 5-0 Notts County
1953–54 Second Division
(10 October 1953)

The Nottingham derby is the name given to football matches contested between Nottingham Forest and Notts County.

History

The two clubs are amongst the oldest football clubs in the World. County were formed in 1862 and are the oldest professional association football club in the world. Forest were formed three years later by a group of men playing the now largely unknown sport of bandy.[1]

The first meeting between the two clubs was a friendly on 22 March 1866. The match was a 0–0 draw and was probably on the Forest Recreation Ground.

The first competitive meeting in the FA Cup came on 16 November 1878 and resulted in a 3–1 victory for Nottingham Forest. The first league game occurred on 8 October 1892 and resulted in a 3–1 victory for Notts County.

The last league Nottingham derby occurred on 12 February 1994 and resulted in a 2–1 victory for Notts County. Charlie Palmer (or 'Sir' Charlie Palmer as he has been dubbed by Notts County fans) scored with just four minutes remaining and only ninety seconds after Forest had equalised. The date, 12 February, is now known to local fans as Charlie Palmer Day.[2]

The rivalry was resurrected on 9 August 2011, when the clubs met in the first round of the Football League Cup at the City Ground, with Forest winning a penalty shootout after the match had ended 3–3.[3]

The two clubs rarely meet as they are in different tiers of the league system and supporters generally view other regional clubs as more prominent rivals. However, recent years have seen incidents of trouble between supporters. In 2007, a 'friendly' match between the clubs saw violence erupt after the final whistle.[4] And in 2017, several followers of both sides were convicted of taking part in a prearranged mass brawl in a pub in Nottingham.[5] Another friendly match the previous summer also saw four arrests.[6] Trouble broke out once again at a pre-season 'friendly' in July 2022, with fighting between fans and stewards in the stands spilling on to the pitch.[7] The game ended in a 2–2 draw. The teams met again in July 2023 with Forest coming out 1-0 winners.

Statistics

The two clubs have met a total of 94 times in the League, FA Cup and League Cup. The two sides have contested games in a number of other competitions including the Nottinghamshire County Senior Cup and the Anglo-Italian Cup. The results and statistics from those games are not included below.[1]

CompetitionCounty winsDrawsForest winsCounty goalsForest goals
League28 23 35 99 114
FA Cup2 1 3 10 11
League Cup0 1 1 3 7
Total30 25 41 112 132

League

Notts County in the league at home

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8 October 1892Trent BridgeFirst Division
9 October 1897Trent BridgeFirst Division
8 October 1898Trent BridgeFirst Division
11 November 1899Trent BridgeFirst Division
26 December 1900Trent BridgeFirst Division
16 November 1901Trent BridgeFirst Division
26 December 1902Trent BridgeFirst Division
28 November 1903Trent BridgeFirst Division
25 March 1905Trent BridgeFirst Division
4 November 1905Trent BridgeFirst Division
4 April 1908Trent BridgeFirst Division
21 November 1908Trent BridgeFirst Division
8 January 1910Trent BridgeFirst Division
3 September 1910Meadow LaneFirst Division
25 December 1913Meadow LaneSecond Division
18 September 1920Meadow LaneSecond Division
5 November 1921Meadow LaneSecond Division
22 September 1923Meadow LaneFirst Division
20 September 1924Meadow LaneFirst Division
18 September 1926Meadow LaneSecond Division
22 February 1928Meadow LaneSecond Division
20 October 1928Meadow LaneSecond Division
4 January 1930Meadow LaneSecond Division
13 February 1932Meadow LaneSecond Division
8 October 1932Meadow LaneSecond Division
17 February 1934Meadow LaneSecond Division
29 September 1934Meadow LaneSecond Division
22 April 1950Meadow LaneThird Division (South)
15 September 1951Meadow LaneSecond Division
30 August 1952Meadow LaneSecond Division
27 February 1954Meadow LaneSecond Division
12 February 1955Meadow LaneSecond Division
11 February 1956Meadow LaneSecond Division
20 October 1956Meadow LaneSecond Division
26 December 1974Meadow LaneSecond Division
25 March 1975Meadow LaneSecond Division
13 April 1976Meadow LaneSecond Division
9 April 1977Meadow LaneSecond Division
12 April 1982Meadow LaneFirst Division
4 December 1982Meadow LaneFirst Division
31 March 1984Meadow LaneFirst Division
24 August 1991Meadow LaneFirst Division
12 February 1994Meadow LaneFirst Division (tier 2)

Nottingham Forest in the league at home

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25 February 1893Trent BridgeFirst Division
4 September 1897Trent BridgeFirst Division
4 February 1899City GroundFirst Division
17 March 1900City GroundFirst Division
24 November 1900City GroundFirst Division
26 December 1901City GroundFirst Division
15 November 1902City GroundFirst Division
26 December 1903City GroundFirst Division
26 November 1904City GroundFirst Division
26 December 1905City GroundFirst Division
7 December 1907City GroundFirst Division
27 March 1909City GroundFirst Division
4 September 1909City GroundFirst Division
26 December 1910City GroundFirst Division
31 December 1913City GroundSecond Division
11 September 1920City GroundSecond Division
14 November 1921City GroundSecond Division
29 September 1923City GroundFirst Division
24 January 1925City GroundFirst Division
5 February 1927City GroundSecond Division
17 September 1927City GroundSecond Division
2 March 1929City GroundSecond Division
7 September 1929City GroundSecond Division
3 October 1931City GroundSecond Division
18 February 1933City GroundSecond Division
7 October 1934City GroundSecond Division
9 February 1935City GroundSecond Division
3 December 1949City GroundThird Division (South)
10 October 1953City GroundSecond Division
3 January 1953City GroundSecond Division
10 October 1953City GroundSecond Division
25 September 1954City GroundSecond Division
1 October 1955City GroundSecond Division
1 May 1957City GroundSecond Division
3 March 1974City GroundSecond Division
28 December 1974City GroundSecond Division
30 August 1975City GroundSecond Division
8 March 1977City GroundSecond Division
23 January 1982City GroundFirst Division
23 April 1983City GroundFirst Division
16 October 1983City GroundFirst Division
11 January 1992City GroundFirst Division
30 October 1993City GroundFirst Division (tier 2)

Cup matches

DateVenueMatchesCompetition
Team 1ScoreTeam 2
16 November 1878Trent BridgeNotts CountyNottingham ForestFA Cup
8 November 1879Trent BridgeNottingham ForestNotts CountyFA Cup
1 December 1883Trent BridgeNotts CountyNottingham ForestFA Cup
26 November 1887Trent BridgeNottingham ForestNotts CountyFA Cup
24 February 1894Trent BridgeNottingham ForestNotts CountyFA Cup
3 March 1894Trent BridgeNotts CountyNottingham ForestFA Cup
25 October 1977City GroundNottingham ForestNotts CountyLeague Cup
9 August 2011City GroundNottingham ForestNotts CountyLeague Cup

External links

Notes and References

  1. Book: Smales, Ken . 2006 . Nottingham Forest The Official Statistical History . Pineapple Books.
  2. Web site: 12 February will always be 'Charlie Palmer Day'. 16 February 2013. dead. https://web.archive.org/web/20150710194633/http://www.nottinghampost.com/February-12-Charlie-Palmer-Day/story-18167402-detail/story.html. 10 July 2015.
  3. Web site: Nottingham Forest 3–3 Notts County (4–3 on penalties) . BBC Sport . 9 August 2011 . 20 October 2012.
  4. News: Fans face bans over pitch fights. BBC. 31 July 2007.
  5. News: Nottingham Forest and Notts County fans locked up over mass brawl in city pub. Nottingham Post. 27 April 2017. 3 May 2017. https://web.archive.org/web/20170501084554/http://www.nottinghampost.com/two-football-fans-locked-up-over-mass-brawl-in-city-pub/story-30298398-detail/story.html. 1 May 2017. dead.
  6. News: Four arrested at Forest v Notts County match. Nottingham Post. 23 July 2016. 3 May 2017. https://web.archive.org/web/20160724160032/http://www.nottinghampost.com/four-arrested-at-nottingham-forest-v-notts-county-match/story-29543890-detail/story.html. 24 July 2016. dead.
  7. Web site: Video emerges of fans fighting with stewards at Notts County v Nottingham Forest . 27 July 2022 .

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