Munich derby explained

Munich derby
Other Names:Münchner Stadtderby
Münchner Lokalderby
Team1:1860 Munich
Team1logo:TSV 1860 München.svg
Team2:FC Bayern
Team2logo:FC Bayern München logo (2017).svg
City Or Region:Munich, Germany
First Contested:Bayern 3–0 1860[1]
Teams Involved:Bayern & 1860;
Bayern II & 1860 II
Stadiums:Grünwalder Stadion
Olympiastadion
Allianz Arena
Most Wins:Bayern (105)
Nextmeeting:TBD
Total:205
Series:Bayern: 105
Drawn: 50
1860: 50
Mostrecent:Bayern 1–0 1860
Largestvictory:[2]

The Munich derby (German: Münchner Stadtderby) is the name given to football matches between Bayern Munich and 1860 Munich, both of them from Munich, Germany.[3] [4]

History

Early years (1902–1933)

Although the TSV has existed since 1860, a football section was founded in 1899. In contrast, Bayern was founded by members of a Munich gymnastics club. The first ever Munich derby was contested in September 1902. In the first years, Bayern mainly won the derbies. However, since football in Germany was organised on a very regional level in this time, the rivalry was not very pronounced since both team played against many other Munich-based teams such as FC Wacker München or 1. Münchner FC 1896. At the end of this period, both clubs became more and more successful: 1860 entered the final of the German football championship in 1931 (but lost against Hertha BSC) and Bayern won against Eintracht Frankfurt one year later. In 1933, 1860 reached the final of the Southern German championship.

The Nazi period (1933–1945)

With beginning of the Nazi era in Germany, both clubs were put in the newly founded Gauliga Bayern. In this period, Bayern suffered because many Jewish members, such as Kurt Landauer were forced to leave the club. In contrast, 1860 was less affected by the enforcement of the Aryan paragraph. Particularly during the war time, 1860 became successful: They won their first national trophy the Tschammerpokal (today known as the German Cup) in 1942. 1860 returned to the national playoffs in 1943, reaching the quarter-finals.

Increasing rivalry (1945–1963)

After the end of the second World War, football quickly became popular again in the population. Already in 1945, the American allied administration allowed the foundation of the Oberliga Süd. As this league, in contrast to the previous Gauliga Bayern, also included teams from Hesse and Baden-Württemberg, Bayern and 1860 became the only two clubs from Munich which resulted in an increased rivalry. Other Munich-based teams declined in importance. In this period, both teams could hardly point to successes with the exception of Bayern's victory in the 1957 German Cup.

Struggle for domination (1963–1970)

The regulations by the German football federation for the inaugural Bundesliga season stipulated that only one team from one city should be promoted. Due to opaque rules, Bayern instead of 1860 was forced to play in the second tier. 1860 won the German Cup in this season, followed by a successful European campaign leading to European Cup Winners' Cup final which was lost to West Ham United. In Bayern's season of promotion Munich became the football capital of Germany: 1860 clinched their first Bundesliga title whereas Bayern won the German Cup final. After that, the conditions began to turn: While 1860 gained the second place in the Bundesliga, Bayern defended the German Cup and won the European Cup Winners' Cup in Nuremberg. In 1969, Bayern captured their first German double whereas 1860 slipped to the 10th position. One year later, 1860 relegated from the Bundesliga.

Bayern's golden years, 1860s decline (1970–1994)

With 1860's relegation, the relative strengths now completely turned to Bayern. After moving from Grünwalder Stadion to the much larger Olympiastadion, Bayern's golden years began. Three German championships (1972–1974) followed by three victorious European campaigns (1974–1976) marked the most successful period in Bayern's history. While Bayern became established in the Bundesliga, 1860 became a yo-yo club. Until 1999, the last derby won by 1860 was in 1977. Even in the frequently played friendlies, Bayern mostly kept the upper hand.

Bundesliga return of 1860 (1994–2004)

After 13 years mainly spent in the Bayernliga, 1860 promoted again to the top flight in 1994. In the previous season, Bayern clinched their 13th Bundesliga title. In 1999, 1860 won their first derby since 22 years. After also the return match was won, Bayern regained its leadership role again with some very high wins (5–1 in 2001 and 5–0 in 2003). Due to the successful application of the German football federation for the 2006 FIFA World Cup in June 2000, both club's forced the idea of ground-share in a new stadium.

Ground-sharing in the Allianz Arena (2005–2017)

One year before the clubs moved to the Allianz Arena, 1860 relegated to the 2. Fußball-Bundesliga again. Since then, in addition to three friendly matches, only one competitive game was held. Just one day before the match was held, unknown Bayern fans painted parts of the Grünwalder Stadion, 1860 traditional home stadium, in the club colors of Bayern, red and white.

Munich 1860 were relegated to 3. Liga at the conclusion of the 2016-17 season.[5]

1860's Return to Grünwalder Stadion (2017–)

On 2 June 2017, it was announced that 1860 were unable to obtain a 3. Liga license for the 2017–18 season as a result of investor Hassan Ismaik's unwillingness to pay the necessary fees. As a result, the club was relegated to the Regionalliga Bayern for the 2017–18 season.[6] Following these events, which meant that Bayern Munich would be ground sharing with the now amateur status 1860, on 12 July 2017 Bayern Munich announced that the ground sharing arrangement with 1860 had come to an end.[7] Shortly thereafter, Munich 1860 announced that the club would return to its traditional grounds at Stadion an der Grünwalder Straße for the 2017–18 season. Following relegation to the Regionalliga, 1860 will play matches with FC Bayern Munich II.[8]

All-time results

width=20No.width=20Homewidth=120Datewidth=160Venuewidth=35 Scorewidth=170Competitionwidth=70 Attendance
121 September 1902Sportplatz Clemensstraße3–0Münchner Stadtmeisterschaft
21 November 1903Schyrenwiese2–0Friendly
312 November 19051–0Münchner Stadtmeisterschaft
12328 September 1952Grünwalder Stadion2–1Oberliga Süd12,000
1248 February 1953Grünwalder Stadion2–2Oberliga Süd17,000
12518 April 1954Grünwalder Stadion2–2Friendly6,000
1262 January 1955Grünwalder Stadion2–2Friendly20,000
12713 August 1955Grünwalder Stadion1–3Friendly
12826 Dezember 1956Grünwalder Stadion1–2Friendly12,000
12915 September 1957Grünwalder Stadion3–3Oberliga Süd40,000
13018 January 1958Grünwalder Stadion4–3Oberliga Süd40,000
13120 September 1958Grünwalder Stadion1–2Oberliga Süd32,000
13221 February 1959Grünwalder Stadion1–2Oberliga Süd35,000
13312 April 1959Grünwalder Stadion0–0DFB-Pokal20,000
13422 April 1959Grünwalder Stadion0–0DFB-Pokal17,000
13527 September 1959Grünwalder Stadion4–6Oberliga Süd32,000
13618 April 1960Grünwalder Stadion1–3Oberliga Süd15,000
13718 April 1960Grünwalder Stadion4–1Friendly15,000
13818 September 1960Grünwalder Stadion0–0Oberliga Süd28,000
13929 January 1961Grünwalder Stadion6–2Oberliga Süd25,000
14010 September 1961Grünwalder Stadion0–4Oberliga Süd28,000
14128 January 1962Grünwalder Stadion2–3Oberliga Süd35,000
1428 May 1962Grünwalder Stadion1–3Friendly
14323 September 1962Grünwalder Stadion3–1Oberliga Süd45,000
1443 February 1963Grünwalder Stadion3–1Oberliga Süd38,000
14525 September 1963Grünwalder Stadion3–2Friendly7,000
1465 August 1964Grünwalder Stadion4–2Friendly
14714 August 1965Grünwalder Stadion1–0Bundesliga44,000
14814 January 1966Grünwalder Stadion3–0Bundesliga40,000
14915 October 1966Grünwalder Stadion3–0Bundesliga44,000
15018 March 1967Grünwalder Stadion1–0Bundesliga44,000
1511 April 1967Grünwalder Stadion3–1DFB-Pokal42,000
15228 October 1967Grünwalder Stadion2–2Bundesliga44,000
15330 March 1968Grünwalder Stadion3–2Bundesliga44,000
15424 August 1968Grünwalder Stadion0–3Bundesliga44,000
15518 January 1969Grünwalder Stadion0–2Bundesliga38,000
15618 October 1969Grünwalder Stadion2–0Bundesliga40,500
1577 March 1970Grünwalder Stadion2–1Bundesliga44,000
1586 August 1971Grünwalder Stadion1–7Friendly36,000
1593 August 1972Olympiastadion1–3Ligapokal79,000
16023 August 1972Grünwalder Stadion5–3Ligapokal23,000
16125 July 1973Olympiastadion3–0Friendly46,000
16225 July 1975Olympiastadion3–0Friendly57,000
1633 August 1976Olympiastadion1–0Friendly40,000
16427 July 1977Olympiastadion2–1Friendly67,000
16512 November 1977Olympiastadion1–3Bundesliga77,000
1668 April 1978Olympiastadion1–1Bundesliga60,300
16719 July 1978Olympiastadion2–2Friendly48,000
16827 March 1979Grünwalder Stadion1–1Friendly26,000
16925 July 1979Olympiastadion3–0Friendly68,000
17017 November 1979Olympiastadion1–2Bundesliga78,000
17110 May 1980Olympiastadion6–1Bundesliga77,500
17222 July 1980Olympiastadion2–3Friendly35,000
17314 October 1980Olympiastadion1–3Bundesliga53,000
17428 March 1981Olympiastadion1–1Bundesliga63,000
17523 July 1981Olympiastadion1–1Friendly25,000
1769 August 1983Olympiastadion5–0Friendly17,000
17730 September 1984Grünwalder Stadion1–5Friendly3,500
17816 July 1991Olympiastadion0–0Friendly40,000
1796 April 1992Grünwalder Stadion1–4Friendly7,000
18021 September 1994Olympiastadion1–3Bundesliga64,000
18125 March 1995Olympiastadion1–0Bundesliga63,000
1822 September 1995Olympiastadion0–2Bundesliga70,800
1832 March 1996Olympiastadion4–2Bundesliga69,000
1841 November 1996Olympiastadion1–1Bundesliga69,000
1854 May 1997Olympiastadion3–3Bundesliga69,000
1861 November 1997Olympiastadion2–2Bundesliga69,900
18711 April 1998Olympiastadion3–1Bundesliga69,000
1887 November 1998Olympiastadion3–1Bundesliga69,000
18925 April 1999Olympiastadion1–1Bundesliga69,000
19027 November 1999Olympiastadion1–0Bundesliga69,000
19115 April 2000Olympiastadion1–2Bundesliga69,000
19221 October 2000Olympiastadion3–1Bundesliga69,000
19317 March 2001Olympiastadion0–2Bundesliga69,000
19413 October 2001Olympiastadion1–5Bundesliga69,000
1959 March 2002Olympiastadion2–1Bundesliga68,000
19610 September 2002Olympiastadion3–1Bundesliga69,000
19715 February 2003Olympiastadion0–5Bundesliga64,000
19822 November 2003Olympiastadion0–1Bundesliga69,000
19925 April 2004Olympiastadion1–0Bundesliga71,000[9]
20019 July 2004Olympiastadion1–0Friendly10,000
2012 June 2005Allianz Arena1–0Friendly64,000
2028 August 2006Allianz Arena0–3Friendly
20326 January 2008Allianz Arena1–1Friendly66,000
20427 February 2008Allianz Arena1–0DFB-Pokal69,000[10]

Overall match statistics

Statistics Bayern – 1860 in official matches and friendly matches[11]
CompetitionBayern
wins		Draws1860
wins		Total
Bundesliga237 8 38
Oberliga Süd13 7 8 28
German: [[Bezirksliga]] 7 7 6 20
Münchner Stadtmeisterschaft1 0 1 2
A-Klasse8 1 0 9
German: Gau 4 2 1 7
German: [[Gauliga]] 12 7 5 24
German: Gaumeisterschaft 3 2 3 8
German: [[Kreisliga]] 3 339
German: Ostkreisliga 5 1 0 6
Süddeutsche Meisterschaft 2 0 2 4
2 2 0 4
2 0 0 2
Münchner Pokal0 0 2 2
Süddeutscher Pokal 11 0 2
Friendly match 18 10 11 39
Total 10450 50 204

Results involving reserve teams

With the two senior teams playing in different leagues the meetings between the two reserve sides of the clubs, nowadays in the tier four Regionalliga Bayern, have received increased attention.[12] [13] The most recent derbies have attracted almost capacity crowds of 12,500 in the Grünwalder Stadium, but also made heavy police presence necessary to deal with the rival fan fractions.[14] [15] [16] The games have also, on occasion, been broadcast live on television.[17]

The games of the reserve sides of the two clubs since the introduction of the Regionalligas in 1994:[18]

SeasonLeagueTeamsHomeAway
1997–98Regionalliga Süd (III)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II2–21–3
1998–99Regionalliga SüdFC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II3–11–0
1999–2000Regionalliga SüdFC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II1–33–4
2000–01Regionalliga SüdFC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II0–03–0
2004–05Regionalliga SüdFC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II4–21–1
2005–06Regionalliga SüdFC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II1–02–2
Bavarian CupFC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II2–4
2006–07Regionalliga SüdFC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II1–11–1
2007–08Regionalliga SüdFC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II1–02–3
2011–12Regionalliga Süd (IV)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II1–21–0
2012–13Regionalliga Bayern (IV)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II0–12–0
2013–14Regionalliga BayernFC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II2–01–2
2014–15Regionalliga BayernFC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II1–03–1
2015–16Regionalliga Bayern FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II0–00–2
2016–17Regionalliga BayernFC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II0–00–2

The games between first team of 1860 Munich and reserve side of Bayern Munich:

SeasonLeagueTeamsHomeAway
1982–83Bayernliga (III)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich0–21–1
1982–83DFB-PokalFC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich0–1
1983–84Bayernliga (III)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich0–00–2
1984–85Bayernliga (III)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich1–11–1
1985–86Bayernliga (III)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich2–20–2
1986–87Bayernliga (III)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich1–12–2
FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich (play-off for 2nd place)3–0
1987–88Bayernliga (III)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich2–11–2
1988–89Bayernliga (III)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich3–32–1
1989–90Bayernliga (III)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich2–20–3
1990–91Bayernliga (III)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich0–20–1
1992–93Bayernliga (III)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich1–10–1
2017–18Regionalliga Bayern (IV)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich1–03–1
2019–203. Liga (III)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich1–12–1
2020–213. Liga (III)FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich0–22–2

Crossing town

Players who appeared for both clubs:

Notes and References

  1. https://faz.net/aktuell/sport/fussball-bundesliga-muenchner-derby-ohne-muenchner-173990.html - Muenchner derby
  2. https://www.tz.de/sport/1860-muenchen/anekdoten-merkel-abedi-pel-bayern-3191773.amp.html - Anekdoten um Merkel, Abedi Pelé und die Bayerntables an
  3. http://www.weltfussball.de/teams/bayern-muenchen/tsv-1860-muenchen/11/ Bayern München » Die Bilanz gegen TSV 1860 München
  4. http://www.f-archiv.de/ Das deutsche Fußball-Archiv – Oberliga Süd tables and results
  5. http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/gruenwalder-stadion-rot-angemalt-jetzt-brennt-die-luft-1.293957 "Jetzt brennt die Luft"
  6. News: Löwen erhalten keine Lizenz für die Dritte Liga . Lions do not get a license for the 3. Liga . tsv1860.de . TSV München von 1860 GmbH & Co. KGaA . 2 June 2017 . 2 June 2017 . German.
  7. News: 1860's Munich's Allianz Arena Contract Terminated . twofortytwo.com . 12 July 2017.
  8. Web site: Regionalliga Bayern 2017-18. Regionalliga. German Football Association. 29 January 2018. FuPa. https://web.archive.org/web/20180130005058/https://www.fupa.net/liga/regionalliga-bayern/spielplan. 30 January 2018. 29 January 2018.
  9. Armin Radtke: Olympiastadion München. Fußball-Geschichte unter dem Zeltdach., Göttingen 2005.
  10. http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/dfbpokal/spielrunde/dfb-pokal/2007-08/4/846170/spielanalyse_bayern-muenchen-14_1860-muenchen-5.html?ddt=1 Bayern 1-0 Tsv
  11. Web site: Bayern München » Bilanz gegen TSV 1860 München. weltfussball.de. 17 April 2016.
  12. http://www.espnfc.com/blogs/72/post/1853655/bayern-munich-ii-vs-1860-munich-ii-is-a-derby-match-with-a-twist The only game in town
  13. http://www.ultras-tifo.net/photo-news/3369-bayern-muenchen-u23-1860-muenchen-u23-06042015.html BAYERN MÜNCHEN U23 - 1860 MÜNCHEN U23 06.04.2015
  14. http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/bayern-ii-gegen-ii-erstklaessler-vor-dem-raubtiergehege-1.2592297 Bayern II gegen 1860 II
  15. http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/fc-bayern-ii-tsv-ii-geiles-derby-mit-grandioser-stimmung-1.1741130 "Geiles Derby mit grandioser Stimmung"
  16. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe8XxQLV26o Bayern München II 1:0 TSV 1860 München II 06.04.2015 Choreo, Pyro, Support
  17. http://www.tz.de/sport/1860-muenchen/derby-1860-muenchen-gegen-bayern-muenchen-live-spiel-tv-verlegt-dienstag-3736136.html 1860 II gegen Bayern II live im TV - Spiel verlegt
  18. http://www.weltfussball.de/teams/tsv-1860-muenchen-ii/bayern-muenchen-ii/11/ TSV 1860 München II .:. Die Bilanz gegen Bayern München II

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