List of giant sequoia groves explained

This is a list of giant sequoia groves. All naturally occurring giant sequoia groves are located in the moist, unglaciated ridges and valleys of the western slope of the Sierra Nevada range in California, United States. They can be found at elevations between .

While many groves are within national park boundaries, such as Sequoia National Park and Yosemite National Park, most of the giant sequoia groves are under the care of the United States Forest Service, placing them outside the legislative mandate that excludes commercial timber harvest. Logging of non-sequoia timber continued as recently as the 1980, especially old-growth ponderosa and sugar pine, which have been logged almost to extinction amongst the groves.[1]

Groves in the northern half of the range (north of the Kings River) are widely scattered and host smaller collections of giant sequoias than groves found within and south of the Kings River watershed. The total area of all the groves combined is approximately . The groves are listed from north to south in the list below.

This list is based on five different sources, with slightly varying views on what constitutes a discrete grove; the differing interpretations are noted in italics. The lists of groves were compiled by Rundel (1972; recognizing 75 groves), Flint (1987; recognizing 65 groves), Willard (1994; recognizing 65 groves), the Giant Sequoia National Monument Visitor's Guide (2003), and the Draft Giant Sequoia National Monument Plan 2010. Currently, the U.S. National Park Service cites Rundel's total of 75 groves in its visitor publications. The updated lists from Willard and Flint are now known to be more accurate, therefore some of Rundel's 75 groves have been removed from this list. Below compiles a list of 81 giant sequoia groves.[2]

North of the Kings River

The 7 groves north of the Kings River watershed are in Tahoe National Forest, Calaveras Big Trees State Park, Yosemite National Park, or Sierra National Forest (listed north to south):

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(m)(ft)
Placer County Big Trees GroveTahoe National Forest
Placer County
1700m (5,600feet)The northernmost grove, with only six trees, the largest being 3.66m (12.01feet) in diameter. The grove is also the furthest removed from all other giant sequoia groves. Part of the American River watershed.
North Calaveras GroveCalaveras Big Trees State Park
Calaveras County
1425-The first giant sequoia grove to be visited by Europeans (1833), as well as the first to be documented (1852). Part of the Calaveras River watershed.
South Calaveras GroveCalaveras Big Trees State Park
Tuolumne County
1390-The lowest average elevation of any giant sequoia grove. Includes the Louis Agassiz tree, one of the largest giant sequoias in the world. Part of the Stanislaus River watershed.
Tuolumne GroveYosemite National Park
Tuolumne County
1700-The grove features about six visible giant sequoias amongst a dense understory of dogwood. Includes the "Dead Giant", a fallen giant sequoia with a stagecoach-sized tunnel cut through it. Part of the Tuolumne River watershed.
Merced GroveYosemite National Park
Mariposa County
1700-The grove features about 20 large trees. Part of the Merced River watershed.
Mariposa GroveYosemite National Park
Mariposa County
1750-Includes the 'Grizzly Giant' and many other famous trees. Part of the Merced River watershed.
Nelder GroveSierra National Forest
Madera County
1600-Three units, partially logged; site of the Shadow of the Giants National Recreation Trail. This grove was heavily impacted by the Railroad Fire in 2017. Part of the Fresno River watershed.

Kings River watershed

The 18 groves in the Kings River watershed are in Kings Canyon National Park, the northern section of Giant Sequoia National Monument, or Sequoia National Forest, in southern Fresno County and northern Tulare County (listed north to south):

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(m)(ft)
McKinley GroveSierra National Forest
Fresno County
1900-The grove features between 150 and 200 large trees.
Converse Basin GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1800-The grove was the second-largest giant sequoia grove before being heavily logged in the 1890s. Despite this, nearly 100 widely scattered old-growth trees remain and has experienced significant regrowth. The grove is also the home of Boole, the 6th largest giant sequoia in the world. It is also the home of the Chicago Stump, the remnant of what was once the General Noble tree which was the second largest tree in the grove. This grove was significantly impacted by the Rough Fire in 2015.
Indian Basin GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1800-A mid-size grove that was logged between 1901 and 1907. The grove contains many young sequoias approaching diameters of up to 3.05m (10.01feet).[3]
Lockwood GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1700-Part of the Evans Complex. The grove was heavily impacted by the Rough Fire in 2015, which killed 14 trees with diameters of at least 1.22m (04feet).[4] [5]
Monarch GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1600-Immediately north of the Agnew Grove, near Monarch Wilderness boundary. On Forest Service GSNM map. Despite its close proximity to Agnew Grove, this grove was not significantly impacted by the Rough Fire in 2015.
Agnew GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1950-This grove was heavily impacted by the Rough Fire in 2015.
Deer Meadow GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1950-This grove was heavily impacted by the Rough Fire in 2015.
Cherry Gap GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
2070m (6,790feet)Logged. Located between Converse Basin Grove and General Grant Grove, near McGee Overlook. This grove was significantly impacted by the Rough Fire in 2015.
Evans GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
2050-Heavily logged before 1920. Part of Evans Grove Complex. This grove was heavily impacted by the Rough Fire in 2015.
Abbott Creek GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1900m (6,200feet)Listed by Rundel and Flint; very small (largely logged); too few trees to qualify as a grove according to Willard.
Kennedy GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Kings Canyon National Park
Sequoia National Forest
2050-Home of 'Ishi Giant'. Part of Evans Complex. This grove was heavily impacted by the Rough Fire in 2015.
Little Boulder Creek GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
2000m (7,000feet)This grove features about 20 large trees scattered along an old logging road.[6] Part of Evans Complex. This grove was heavily impacted by the Rough Fire in 2015.
Bearskin GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1850-The grove was the first to be affected by the clearcutting of giant sequoia groves by U.S. Forest Service in the 1980s.[7] Features many large giant sequoias along road 13S98A, which runs through the heart of the grove.[8]
Boulder Creek GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
2050m (6,730feet)Part of Evans Complex. This grove was heavily impacted by the Rough Fire in 2015.
General Grant GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Kings Canyon National Park
Sequoia National Forest
1750-Includes 'General Grant'. This grove was significantly impacted by the Rough Fire in 2015.
Landslide GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
2050-
Sequoia Creek GroveKings Canyon National Park1850m (6,070feet)
Big Stump GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Kings Canyon National Park
Sequoia National Forest
1850m (6,070feet)Includes the Burnt Monarch, the remains of which are larger than any living tree.

Kaweah River watershed

The 31 groves in the Kaweah River watershed are all in Sequoia National Park or in mixed BLM and private ownership, except the northernmost in Sequoia National Forest & Kings Canyon National Park (listed north to south):

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(m)(ft)
Redwood Mountain GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Kings Canyon National Park
Sequoia National Forest
1960m (6,430feet)The largest grove, 1240 hectares (3100 acres), with 15,800 sequoias 30.5cm (12inches) or more in diameter at the base. Home of 'Roosevelt' and 'Hart', the 22nd and 25th largest giant sequoias in the world, respectively. This grove was heavily impacted by the KNP Complex Fire in 2021.[9]
Big Baldy South GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
36.661°N -118.9013°W1722m (5,650feet)
Lost GroveSequoia National Park2030m (6,660feet)Contains no exceptionally large trees, but one giant sequoia has a ground perimeter of 31.88m (104.59feet), one of the largest of any giant sequoia.
Muir GroveSequoia National Park1918m (6,293feet)A dense collection of giant sequoias at the end of a 3.1km (01.9miles) trail. Home of 'Dalton', the 36th largest giant sequoia in the world.
Skagway GroveSequoia National Park1820m (5,970feet)
Pine Ridge GroveSequoia National Park36.6199°N -118.8614°W1523m (4,997feet)
Suwanee GroveSequoia National Park1880m (6,170feet)A 28.3 hectare (70 acre) grove. This grove was heavily impacted by the KNP Complex Fire in 2021.
Giant ForestSequoia National Park2130m (6,990feet)This grove contains half of the ten largest trees by volume, including the largest, 'General Sherman', and 8,400 others at least 0.3m (01feet) in diameter.
Granite Creek GroveSequoia National Park36.5384°N -118.6275°W1921m (6,302feet)An exceptionally small grove located along Granite Creek.
Redwood Meadow GroveSequoia National Park1690m (5,550feet)
Little Redwood Meadow GroveSequoia National Park36.5126°N -118.6143°W2369m (7,772feet)Located southeast of Redwood Meadow Grove.
Castle Creek GroveSequoia National Park1610m (5,280feet)A 345-acre grove of widely scattered sequoias.
Douglass GroveSequoia National Park36.4783°N -118.7227°W1967m (6,453feet)An exceptionally small grove west of Paradise Peak and north of Oriole Lake Grove.
Atwell Mill GroveSequoia National Park2100m (6,900feet)The grove reaches the highest elevation of any sequoia grove, 2560m (8,400feet), and contains four trees that are among the largest giant sequoias in the world: Diamond, AD, Dean and Arm.[10]
East Fork GroveSequoia National Park1646-A large, unlogged giant sequoia grove home to many widely dispersed giant sequoias. Located immediately southeast of Atwell Mill Grove and Atwell Mill Campground, along the northern slopes of Hengst Peak.[11] [12]
Oriole Lake GroveSequoia National Park2030m (6,660feet)Located northeast of Oriole Lake.
New Oriole Lake GroveSequoia National Park36.4511°N -118.7362°W1743m (5,719feet)Located south of Oriole Lake. This grove was heavily impacted by the KNP Complex Fire in 2021.
Eden Creek GroveSequoia National Park1720m (5,640feet)A 350 hectare (865 acre) grove with many large, widely scattered trees.
Lower Horse Creek GroveSequoia National Park36.4194°N -118.7049°W1644m (5,394feet)A small grove located downstream of both Horse Creek and Cahoon Creek groves.
Horse Creek GroveSequoia National Park1840m (6,040feet)A (36.4 hectare (90 acre) grove containing approximately 70 trees more than 3m (10feet) in diameter.
Cahoon Creek GroveSequoia National Park36.411°N -118.7022°W1834m (6,017feet)
Case Mountain GroveNear Three Rivers, California1750m (5,740feet)Located in a bowl-shaped valley southeast of Case Mountain. The land is administered by the Bureau of Land Management.[13]
Coffeepot Canyon GroveSequoia National Park36.3992°N -118.7502°W1762m (5,781feet)Located west of Eden Creek Grove.
Surprise GroveSequoia National Park36.3772°N -118.7658°W1697m (5,568feet)
Homers Nose GroveSequoia National Park2330m (7,640feet)This grove was heavily impacted by the Castle Fire in 2020.[14]
Board Camp GroveSequoia National Park36.3688°N -118.7141°W2022m (6,634feet)Located northeast of Cedar Flat Grove, southeast of Homers Nose Grove, and north of South Fork Grove. This grove was heavily impacted by the Castle Fire in 2020.[15]
Cedar Flat GroveSequoia National Park36.3578°N -118.7326°W1504m (4,934feet)A small grove located at the northern end of Ladybug Trail.
South Fork GroveSequoia National Park1630m (5,350feet)
Garfield GroveSequoia National Park2030m (6,660feet)A 549 hectare (1,356 acre) grove with many large specimens. The lowest elevation at which the giant sequoia is known to grow naturally, 884m (2,900feet), is located beside the river below this grove. Home of 'King Arthur', formerly the 9th largest giant sequoia in the world. King Arthur died in the Castle Fire in 2020, although the grove itself was not heavily impacted. Now also includes the Dillonwood Grove.
Forgotten GroveSequoia National Park36.3328°N -118.7653°W1916m (6,286feet)A "grove" consisting of only two sequoias, the medium-sized 'Upper' sequoia and the larger 'Lower' sequoia. Discovered in the 1990s, although the existence of a rough trail indicates that previous park officials knew of them. This grove was heavily impacted by the Castle Fire in 2020, and the 'Upper' sequoia may be either dead or moribund.[16]
Devil's Canyon GroveSequoia National Park36.3201°N -118.768°W2004m (6,575feet)Located north of Dennison Grove and west of Dennison Mountain in the southwestern corner of Sequoia National Park.

Tule River, Kern River, and Deer Creek watersheds

The 25 groves in the Tule River, Kern River, and Deer Creek watersheds are mostly in Giant Sequoia National Monument, with some areas in Sequoia National Park, Mountain Home Demonstration State Forest, and Tule River Reservation; all are in southern Tulare County (listed north to south):

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(m)(ft)
Dennison GroveSequoia National Park1966m (6,450feet)Located on the southwestern slope of Dennison Mountain in southeastern Sequoia National Park.
Dillonwood GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
Sequoia National Park
36.3036°N -118.7097°W1837m (6,027feet)Located at the southernmost point of Sequoia National Park. This grove was heavily impacted by the Castle Fire in 2020.[17]
Upper Tule GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
36.2766°N -118.6742°W2400m (7,900feet)The highest average elevation of any giant sequoia grove, located immediately east of Moses Mountain. Included on Forest Service GSNM map.
Middle Tule GroveSequoia National Forest
Sequoia National Forest
36.2686°N -118.6627°W2062m (6,765feet)
Maggie Mountain GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
36.2613°N -118.6404°W2234m (7,329feet)A small, inaccessible grove located in a ravine just west of Maggie Mountain.
Silver Creek GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1650m (5,410feet)
Balch County Park
Mountain Home Demonstration State Forest
Giant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1970m (6,460feet)Home of the 'Genesis', the 7th largest giant sequoia in the world. This grove also contains the smaller Middle Tule Grove in the Sequoia National Forest. This grove was heavily impacted by the Pier Fire in 2017 and the Castle Fire in 2020.
Burro Creek GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1550m (5,090feet)
Wishon GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
36.2177°N -118.6491°W1393m (4,570feet)Located south of Silver Creek Grove. Included on Forest Service GSNM map.
Alder Creek GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
Private land
2120m (6,960feet)Also known as Hossack, Pixley, or Ross Creek Grove. Home of 'Stagg', the 5th largest giant sequoia in the world. Also home to the now-deceased Waterfall tree, which had the largest ground perimeter of any sequoia. This grove was heavily impacted by the Castle Fire in 2020, leading to Waterfall's death.
Freeman Creek GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1890m (6,200feet)The easternmost giant sequoia grove. Home of 'Great Goshawk' and 'Bannister', the 29th and 48th largest giant sequoias, respectively. Part of the Kern River watershed. This grove was heavily impacted by the Castle Fire in 2020.
McIntyre GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1720m (5,640feet)Part of Belknap Complex. This grove was heavily impacted by the Castle Fire in 2020.
Carr Wilson GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
36.1255°N -118.6105°W1512m (4,961feet)Also known as Bear Creek Grove. Part of Belknap Complex.
Wheel Meadow GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
36.1112°N -118.565°W2012m (6,601feet)Part of Belknap Complex. This grove was heavily impacted by the Castle Fire in 2020.
Black Mountain GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
Tule River Reservation
Private land
1950m (6,400feet)Heavily logged in 1984, though no mature sequoias were cut. This grove was heavily impacted by the Pier Fire in 2017.
Red Hill GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
Private land
1960m (6,430feet)This grove was heavily impacted by the Windy Fire in 2021.[18]
Peyrone GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
Tule River Reservation
1880m (6,170feet)Medium-sized grove containing more than 100 scattered specimens.[19] This grove was significantly impacted by the Windy Fire in 2021.
South Peyrone GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
36.0255°N -118.6215°W1851m (6,073feet)New discovery by Willard in 1992. Located west of Onion Meadow Peak. This grove was significantly impacted by the Windy Fire in 2021.
Parker Peak GroveTule River Reservation1980m (6,500feet)Medium-sized grove containing more than 100 scattered specimens.
Long Meadow GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
2040m (6,690feet)Site of the "Trail of 100 Giants", a popular loop trail that winds through the heart of the grove. Home of 'Red Chief', the 40th largest giant sequoia in the world. Part of the Kern River watershed. This grove was heavily impacted by the Windy Fire in 2021.
Cunningham GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1870m (6,140feet)Part of the Kern River watershed.
Starvation Creek GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1730m (5,680feet)A small, inaccessible giant sequoia grove. Part of the Starvation Creek Complex and the Deer Creek watershed. This grove was heavily impacted by the Windy Fire in 2021, and only four out of an estimated 122 trees survived.
Powderhorn GroveSequoia National Forest
Giant Sequoia National Monument
35.9315°N -118.6038°W2022m (6,634feet)A small giant sequoia grove. Part of the Starvation Creek Complex and the Kern River watershed. This grove was heavily impacted by the Windy Fire in 2021.
Packsaddle GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
2060m (6,760feet)A grove of about 300 large but scattered trees, including the now-deceased 'Packsaddle Giant', formerly the 33rd largest giant sequoia measuring over 6.7m (22feet) in diameter and 85.34m (279.99feet) tall. Part of the Kern River watershed. This grove was heavily impacted by the Windy Fire in 2021.
Deer Creek GroveGiant Sequoia National Monument
Sequoia National Forest
1800m (5,900feet)The grove is southernmost giant sequoia grove and is home to a small collection of 31 widely dispersed giant sequoias. Part of the Deer Creek watershed. This grove was heavily impacted by the Windy Fire in 2021.

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Notes and References

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  2. Book: Willard, Dwight. The Natural Giant Sequoia (Sequoiadendron Giganteum) Groves of the Sierra Nevada, California—An Updated Annotated List. USFS. 2014-05-14. USDA Forest Service Gen. Tech. Rep. PSW-GTR-151. 159–164. https://web.archive.org/web/20090320024336/https://www.fs.fed.us/psw/publications/documents/psw_gtr151/psw_gtr151_28_willard.pdf. 2009-03-20. dead.
  3. Web site: Indian Basin Grove. USFS - Sequoia National Forest. 9 December 2019. 17 May 2019. https://web.archive.org/web/20190517174945/https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/sequoia/recarea/?recid=79962. live.
  4. Web site: Giant sequoias - long survivors of the forest - succumbing to climate-driven wildfires. 2019-09-12. SFChronicle.com. en-US. 2019-11-08. 2019-11-08. https://web.archive.org/web/20191108063213/https://www.sfchronicle.com/environment/article/Giant-sequoias-long-survivors-of-the-forest-14432963.php. live.
  5. Web site: District Personnel Actively Managing Land burned in Rough Fire. www.fs.usda.gov. en. 2019-12-08. 2016-06-14. https://web.archive.org/web/20160614092141/http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/sequoia/landmanagement/planning/?cid=fseprd491839. live.
  6. Web site: Little Boulder Creek Grove. www.redwoodhikes.com. 2019-11-16. 2019-11-16. https://web.archive.org/web/20191116220147/http://www.redwoodhikes.com/SequoiaNP/LittleBoulderCreek.html. live.
  7. Book: Willard, Dwight. A Guide to the Sierra Groves of California. Yosemite Conservancy. September 1, 2000. 978-0939666812. registration.
  8. Web site: Bearskin Grove. www.redwoodhikes.com. 2019-11-16. 2019-11-16. https://web.archive.org/web/20191116220157/http://www.redwoodhikes.com/SequoiaNP/Bearskin.html. live.
  9. Web site: 2021 Fire Season Impacts to Giant Sequoias (U.S. National Park Service). 2021-11-20. www.nps.gov. en. 2023-02-09. https://web.archive.org/web/20230209141319/https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/2021-fire-season-impacts-to-giant-sequoias.htm. live.
  10. Web site: Atwell Grove. www.redwoodhikes.com. 2019-11-16. 2019-11-16. https://web.archive.org/web/20191116223049/http://www.redwoodhikes.com/SequoiaNP/Atwell.html. live.
  11. Web site: East Fork Grove. www.redwoodhikes.com. 2019-11-16. 2019-11-16. https://web.archive.org/web/20191116223101/http://www.redwoodhikes.com/SequoiaNP/EastFork.html. live.
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  13. Web site: Case Mountain Giant Sequoia Grove Complex, Bakersfield Field Office, Bureau of Land Management California . 2014-10-20 . dead . https://web.archive.org/web/20141023065201/http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/bakersfield/Programs/sequoias.html . 2014-10-23 .
  14. Web site: Preliminary Estimates of Sequoia Mortality in the 2020 Castle Fire (U.S. National Park Service). 2021-11-08. www.nps.gov. en. 2022-11-27. https://web.archive.org/web/20221127074700/https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/preliminary-estimates-of-sequoia-mortality-in-the-2020-castle-fire.htm. live.
  15. Web site: Preliminary Estimates of Sequoia Mortality in the 2020 Castle Fire (U.S. National Park Service). 2021-11-08. www.nps.gov. en. 2022-11-27. https://web.archive.org/web/20221127074700/https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/preliminary-estimates-of-sequoia-mortality-in-the-2020-castle-fire.htm. live.
  16. Web site: Forgotten Grove: A Tale of Two Sequoias. 2021-11-08. I Love Trees. en-US. 2021-11-08. https://web.archive.org/web/20211108031406/https://www.ilovetrees.net/forgotten-grove-sequoias/. live.
  17. Web site: Preliminary Estimates of Sequoia Mortality in the 2020 Castle Fire (U.S. National Park Service). 2021-11-08. www.nps.gov. en. 2022-11-27. https://web.archive.org/web/20221127074700/https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/preliminary-estimates-of-sequoia-mortality-in-the-2020-castle-fire.htm. live.
  18. Web site: Alonzo. Denise. November 3, 2021. Sequoia grove damage assessments continue. U.S. Forest Service. November 8, 2021. November 8, 2021. https://web.archive.org/web/20211108020038/https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/sequoia/news-events/?cid=FSEPRD968175. live.
  19. Web site: NPS: The Giant Sequoias of California (Brief Description and Location of Giant Sequoia Groves). www.nps.gov. 2019-12-09. 2019-06-11. https://web.archive.org/web/20190611032146/https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/cook/groves.htm. live.