Elizabeth, Lady Thurles Explained

Elizabeth Butler née Poyntz
Viscountess Thurles (courtesy title)
Spouse:Thomas Butler, Viscount Thurles
Issue:James, Richard, & others
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Father:John Poyntz (died 1633)
Mother:Elizabeth Sydenham (died 1595)
Birth Date:1587
Birth Place:Iron Acton, Gloucestershire, England
Death Date:May 1673
Death Place:Thurles, County Tipperary, Ireland

Elizabeth Poyntz (1587–1673), known as Lady Thurles, was the mother of the Irish statesman and Royalist commander James Butler, 1st Duke of Ormonde.

Birth and origins

Elizabeth was born in 1587 at Iron Acton, Gloucestershire, England, the second daughter of Sir John Pointz and his second wife Elizabeth Sydenham. Her father was probably knighted in 1588, and surely before 1593. He was lord of the manor of Iron Acton. He died in 1633, apparently intestate and insolvent.

Elizabeth's mother was a daughter of Alexander Sydenham of Luxborough, Somerset. She died in childbed in 1595.

First marriage and children

In 1608, Elizabeth married Thomas Butler, son of Walter Butler. At the time her father-in-law was a nephew of the ruling earl, Black Tom, the 10th earl of Ormond. Apparently, the marriage was against her father-in-law's wishes.

Thomas and Elizabeth had three sons:

  1. James (1610–1688), became the 1st Duke of Ormond
  2. John (died 1636), died unmarried in Naples on his travels
  3. Richard (1615–1701) of Kilcash

—and four daughters:

  1. Helena or Ellen or Eleanor (1612–1682), married Donough MacCarty, 1st Earl of Clancarty before 1633
  2. Eleanor or Ellen, married Sir Andrew Aylmer (1613–1671), 2nd baronet, of Donadea in the County of Kildare in 1634
  3. Mary (died 1680), married Sir George Hamilton, 1st Baronet, of Donalong in 1635
  4. Elizabeth, married first James Purcell, Baron Loughmoe (1609–1652), by whom she had Nicholas Purcell of Loughmoe (1651–1722); she married secondly John FitzPatrick of Castletown

Lady Thurles

When Black Tom died in November 1614, Walter, her father-in-law, succeeded as the 11th earl, and her husband became heir apparent with the courtesy title of Viscount Thurles. She therefore became Lady Thurles.

While the Ormond title was secure, the lands were claimed by Richard Preston, 1st Earl of Desmond, who had married Elizabeth, Black Tom's only surviving child in autumn 1614, shortly before her father's death. The 11th Earl contested Preston's claim, but the king intervened and decided in Preston's favour. As Walter refused to accept, the king arrested him and held him in London's Fleet Prison.

Some sources say that Lady Thurles lived in Thurles Castle from her first marriage until her death (1608–1673), except for a short period (1658–1660) during the rule of Cromwell—she was a Catholic Royalist.[1] It is not clear, however, how she could have returned to Thurles Castle because Lewis writes that "this castle, during the parliamentary war, was garrisoned for the King, but was afterwards taken by the parliamentarian forces, by whom it was demolished".[2] On the other hand, Lady Thurles may have returned to a newer building on or close to the site of the castle which may also have been called Thurles Castle; Grose, writing in 1791,[3] and Armitage, writing in 1912,[4] seem to imply that a building called Thurles Castle still existed in their times.

Lord Thurles drowned on 15 December 1619, when the ship that should have carried him to England was wrecked off the Skerries near Anglesey. Thomas had been on his way to answer charges of treason for having garrisoned Kilkenny. Her son James, aged 9, became the new heir apparent and therefore was styled Viscount Thurles. In principle, she became now dowager Lady Thurles, but was still called Lady Thurles for short.

Second marriage and children

In 1620 Lady Thurles married Captain George Mathew of Radyr and Llandaff in Glamorganshire, Wales. He was a Catholic. With George Elizabeth had two sons:

  1. Theobald, was granted the manor of Thurles by his half-brother James
  2. George

—and one daughter:

  1. Frances

In 1629 her son James, styled Lord Thurles, married Elizabeth. There were now two persons called "Elizabeth, Lady Thurles", the actual one and the dowager one. When Walter, the father-in-law of dowager Lady Thurles, died in 1633, James succeeded as the 12th Earl of Ormond and his wife became Countess of Ormond. The name "Thurles" was now unique again and could only mean the dowager Lady Thurles.

In 1636 Thurles's second husband died at Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales. She would outlive him by 37 years.

Late life, death, and Timeline

In May 1646 Ormond feared for Thurles's safety and had her brought to Dublin. Similar rescues were organised for Thurles's daughters, Lady Hamilton, Lady Muskerry, and Lady Loughmoe.

In 1656, during the Protectorate, Thurles was left in the possession of the manor of Thurles and excepted from transplantation as a result of a petition by Hardress Waller and other army officers.

Lady Thurles died in Thurles in May 1673. She was buried in Thurles beside what is now the Protestant church of St. Mary's.

Timeline
Italics for historical background.
AgeDateEvent
01587Born
24 Mar 1603Accession of James I, succeeding Elizabeth I
1608Married 1st husband, Thomas Butler, Viscount Thurles
1610Son James born
22 Nov 1614Styled Viscountess Thurles as Thomas, the 10th earl, died[5]
1617Walter, her father-in-law, detained in Fleet Prison
15 Dec 16191st husband died.
18 Mar 1625Walter, her father-in-law, submitted to James I's decision.
27 Mar 1625Accession of Charles I, succeeding James I
125 Dec 1629Son James married Elizabeth Preston.
24 Feb 1633Father-in-law died at Carrick-on-Suir.
Oct 16362nd husband died.
23 Oct 1641Outbreak of the Rebellion
29 May 1660Restoration of Charles II
1673Died

Notes and references

Sources

Further reading

Notes and References

  1. http://www.thurles.info/2008/11/24/thurles-ancestral-home-of-prince-charles-and-lady-diana/ Thurles – Ancestral Home of Prince Charles and Lady Diana
  2. [Samuel Lewis (publisher)|Lewis, Samuel]
  3. [Francis Grose|Grose, Francis]
  4. [Ella Sophia Armitage|Armitage, Ella S.]
  5. Cokayne 1895 volume VI p 148, line 30 "He [Thomas] d. s.p.m. at Carrick, 22 Nov. 1614, aged 82 ..."

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